discussion about art in an internet chatroom was brought to my attention
and I found it quite thought-provoking.
I've edited it, removing personal details and changing the monikers of the participants.
I'm pretty new to painting. I don't go to art college so I was wondering
where do you guys go to find new, good artists?
Francium, the following Irish artists are doing interesting work here
– and in no particular order:
However, only a handful of these artists have an international profile. Most of them are painters. What does that say about current trends in the arts? The art world is dominated by top guns Damien Hirst, Jeff Koons, Matthew Barney and the like – mostly purveyors of conceptual art, good businessmen and brilliant self-publicists. So what should Irish artists do? Where’s the debate? Let’s get the discussion going.
P.S.; After the Momart warehouse fire in May 2004, where the casualties included Tracey Emin’s tent and the Chapman brothers’ Hell, the artist Sebastian Horsley voiced the common reaction, though in rather less guarded terms than most:
“My only regret is that the artists themselves weren’t
on the funeral pyre. That would have been really great…The artists
play the well-remunerated role of court dwarfs…Why have they let
it happen to them? Saatchi, Jopling, Turner prizes – these prizes
are for turn-coats, cardboard outlaws who go on bended knee for an award
from a society they profess to despise. What has happened to defiance?
Why have the punk generation become so tamed, so emasculated, shaking
hands with the royalty of the art-world and moving in circles that their
work is supposed to scorn?”
imagine there are a lot more practising artists. However, I still think
that's a lot of artists for such a small country as Ireland. It's the
quality of work that matters, not the quantity. Life sometimes seems to
follow an analogy to Pareto's Principle: 20% of something always controls
80% of it. The arts are no exception to this. Out of a large group, only
a handful of artists ever become influential and gain any success. The
others are just trying to catch up with them.
someone please post up an image of a Sean Scully painting and then post
up a work by a competent living master such as Morgan Weistling in juxtaposition.
I believe the images will speak for themselves. Also, returning to the
issue of whether one can be referred to as the artist of a piece if he
has not physically crafted it, I propose a new argument. Say I had Michelangelo
in a room and I thought of an original pose which he then memorised and
used to produce an exquisite sculpture. On completion I came up with a
statement of what the piece was intended to project. Therefore the idea
(the pose and the message) would be mine and I would simply have used
Michelangelo to technically produce my invention. Am I therefore the artist?
Even though there is no way I myself could have produced such a masterpiece?
I am fine with a master - say Rubens - delegating inferior aspects of
rendering to a student who he has trained to copy his style, but what
if the delegator had no right to delegate as he himself could not render?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put up some of your art, you can't claim **** and
then not back it up. PLEASE put some up. For our entertainment of course.
The fact that you're about 17 makes it even funnier that you say "X,
Y and Z are great contemporary artists and myself too soon enough!"
Do you have ANY idea how many first-years in art college think that? Four
in every year of one hundred become actual artists. What a dick! I bet
your parents made you go on camping holidays. You have no credibility,
no experience, and most importantly, no knowledge of the current art world
that you think you're going to conquer. Oh and ALL of your great masters
of painting had assistants. ALL of them. And lots of today's artists do
too. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. A manager of a company still
runs the company even if he has 100 staff. its a JOB, not an eccentric
romanticized passion. I would LOVE to see you cope in art college with
your arrogance. A lot of getting known is having lots of friends. Good
luck with that!
Thorium, this guy will make you wet yourself. Conor Walton, painter of
'philosophical paintings'. Irish. Retard. Can you believe people are making
this crap!? It's beyond bad. They look like Photoshop filters! Himself
and Thorium can be best buddies. And we can laugh.
reminds me of those painters who will knock out copies for you of famous
paintings. Technically he could be ok but he seems to have no original
he lives a lonely and unfulfilling life in the desolate conifer plantations
of the midlands. And no one really cares about him too.